plasma air and driers

[Creepy]

the TP paper filters are for after all the other driers. They will not work effectively as a mechanical seperator like a cup filter, they will riun the filter immediately if wet air gets at them. they are last defense, fine filtering, not primary filters.

The replacements look like TP, I'd imagine wet toilet paper doesn't flow air too well, hence your machine working like garbage. If someone actually put TP in your filter, I don't know what to say. lol

[itsakeeper]

I have SMC working on it; waiting for tech services to call me back on the dryer and water separator

[Dewie]

It works fine when the paper isn't saturated Jan - seriously. I don't run a table like you do, I just use it for floors/misc light stuff. I wouldn't in a month likely do what you do in a day.

[itsakeeper]

a water separator runs about $150 depending on the size and has a metal screen (looks like a brush inside) that captures moisture
the smallest refridgerated air dryer runs $700-800 and handles 10cfm

[Creepy]

Jul 26, 2010 13:48:00 GMT -4 Dewie said:

It works fine when the paper isn't saturated Jan - seriously. I don't run a table like you do, I just use it for floors/misc light stuff. I wouldn't in a month likely do what you do in a day.

I believe it would work for a bit, but by not having rough pre-filters, and a moisture problem - the TP will get wet very fast, expand, lose any airflow it could manage to muster. Just the humidity would get it i think, just sitting there.

Anyway, we don't have to have too big a discussion about TP in your filter unit being the cat's ass, I know that's not what you are saying.

I'd prefer to set up a system that didn't have to paying $$ to keep it dry. Use the throw-away filters as the very end as a last-chance to get moisture out.

For hand-held units at a home shop, its very easy to make a water trap out of pipe, 1.5"sch40 a couple of feet long is good enough. put it far away from the compressor, have a cup filter, drain them religiously - THEN the paper element filter, and you should not go thru a ton of paper and get quality cuts and much better tip life from the plasma.

[Creepy]

Jul 26, 2010 14:09:34 GMT -4 itsakeeper said:

a water separator runs about $150 depending on the size and [glow=red,2,300]has a metal screen (looks like a brush inside) that captures moisture[/glow]
the smallest refridgerated air dryer runs $700-800 and handles 10cfm

You need a large surface area to condensate out more moisture. Wonder if the brush shape is using that technology, or something fancy?

I guess its time for some pics in this thread. I'll show you guys my current air system, and where I'm going with it.

MFR has sourced a coil and the beer fridge is inline with the air line run to the table. ;D Might gear that up, but I know where I can make improvements b4 getting into that, i'll show you.

[itsakeeper]

someone say beer

[Creepy]

Beer and moist, yes. ;D

compressor and big tube thing. I want the comp. head to go to the bottom of the tube as a primary seperator, using surface area and the cold door draft to condensate out the oil/water. Then to the compressor tank. I call it the MkI DeltaT.
(Its comp/tank/tube now.)

Note the milage gained by giving me free stickers. ;D


Will have to run this compressor head output line to the bottom of the tube, force the hot air up thru the cold tube and internal surface plates.


tube dump


Nice filter/regulator unit from Motion. $120 iirc.


run to the back wall, above the fridge. This system would have been impossible to afford without the gracious help of Big6. Thank you again kind Sir for all your help.


PA dessicant drier with cup filter after to catch particulate from the drier.


Good stuff. This was $120. Should get 3 fills, but don't know how long it lasts yet, i'm on the first fill.


mad scientisting




Sooo, after all that, i'll probably install a paper filter at the plasma for good measure too. Paper will be the last last last resort, not the primary water trap.

BIG PS: All this is utterly useless unless you drain everything everytime you go to use the air system!!!!!!

Start at the compressor and work towards the plasma or whatever.

If you start at the tool end, you will draw all the moisture in the system to your tool!!!

Gotta make my lunch for work...but there's some pics to talk about later.

pss: I'm going to leave my compressor on tonight (it will cycle a bit due to slow leak in system) Its dry now, I will post a pic of how much water you get overnight.

[C Monster]

i was look a round truro too see what the paint shop and tools place sold and like they all just had the cheap ones like $20 air filters /regulator so were did you buy " Nice filter/regulator unit from Motion " creepy
and where did you get the dessicant stuff too
all the shops say just go too princess auto or car quest has one air drier for $399

[Creepy]

Motion Industries is an industrial supply house. Itsakeeper who posted just above is a sales guy for them. The dessicant came from one of his competitors, who he kindly referenced me to since it would be on their shelf. I forget their name. It was in Burnside, but any paint shop should be able to get them.

the yellow tube came from PA, $40 on sale I think, and I put the good dessicant in that

[C Monster]

yes i did ask around here in truro but no ones sell it or can get any of that good dessicant stuff like the one in your photo , how long did the pa dessicant last you
i buy pa dryer and dessicant , till i find the good stuff to put in the pa dryer like you

see all the shop use and sell them big refrigerated dryer

[Creepy]

you are breaking up. lol repeat?

the pa stuff lasted until water started coming out the drier dump. it should stay dry. lasted a few months or so, but it was winter. spring/warm/wet fawked it. And the vapor from the drier when you dump is very corrosive! rusted the shit out of some steel close by. with the good dessicant, there is nothing coming out. wet coming out the drier means the dessicant is saturated and no longer functioning.

[C Monster]

ok thanks i do have Post-concussion syndrome
and on too mini message boards do not go together
i had a bad motorcycle crash

back to this post how does this "water trap out of pipe, 1.5"sch40 a couple of feet long"
like you said work ??

[itsakeeper]

I'll check on the topring part no.; think I can get that now that I know what I am looking for
and I think the regulator has 1/2" lines ? thus the $120; 1/4" would be around $40-50

[itsakeeper]

looks like the desicant would be $100 + freight so the price wasn't that bad