Creepy
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 1:02:03 GMT -4
20x24 shop, drywalled, insulated. Wooden garage door, steel man door, and two older windows. Open truss ceiling above 10' walls (edit-maybe 8', will check), and the critical ceiling fan for pushing the warm air down. -13C outside. Unit is $300. 5000W. Super compact, and T-stat is built in. Install material costs were approx $250 because the breaker is expensive and wire is expensive, heater is opposite corner from the panel. Still pretty economical in the big picture. I leave it on 5deg when I'm not out there, and 12-15 when I'm working. Power bill in the shop goes up $40-$50 a month in the winter.
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Post by theonlybull on Jan 28, 2011 7:17:33 GMT -4
nt bad. we heat our main shop with the old oil furnace out of my house. 20x40, insulated, drywall all the way around, and the ceiliing. 7 windows, man door, and 2 plywood roller doors. programable t-stat, set for 45 *F at night, and 55*F in the day.. sometimes gets pushed higher. quite often we have the 10x10 door open, or the exhaust fan on, and the man door open. in a year, we'll burn about 400-500$ worth of oil.
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Post by 05LJ on Jan 28, 2011 9:26:59 GMT -4
I like how simple that setup is and you will never have to worry about running out of oil. Where do you buy the furnace from?
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Post by ©Big6™ on Jan 28, 2011 9:49:09 GMT -4
Jan, what is your total power bill for the year?
Dad's shop is 28 x 40 with in floor fed from an electric on demand hot water heater. About $800 for 12 months. He keeps it at 10 deg.
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 9:52:51 GMT -4
Harris and Roome. You can get them at a lot of places tho. it is a very clean neat install. No oil tank, no insurance/leakage worries.
Don't get the smaller 'construction heater' style one, they aren't as good, 4800W, smaller CFM, and just seem really cheaply made. Noisy and rattle. They cost about $100, come in bright colors.
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Post by 05LJ on Jan 28, 2011 12:51:47 GMT -4
I think this is the way I will go. My oil furnace is very old and not working the best anymore. My garage is 28'x36' with 10' walls and is well insulated. There is a 2nd floor loft that is not heated. Do you think it will be sufficient in heating my garage? What size breaker and wire are required?
Thanks Daren
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 12:57:27 GMT -4
Jan, what is your total power bill for the year? i'll have to look. With the amount of plasma and welding going on, its a little tough to sort out what the heater is using. The $40 per month was how much the bill increased the first winter. NSP has graphs and stuff on their site, i'll go look if I can sort it out. I think this is the way I will go. My oil furnace is very old and not working the best anymore. My garage is 28'x36' with 10' walls and is well insulated. There is a 2nd floor loft that is not heated. Do you think it will be sufficient in heating my garage? What size breaker and wire are required? Thanks Daren You might need two, that's a lot bigger than my place. i'll get the wire/breaker info for you.
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 13:54:20 GMT -4
You can see the heat I guess. I'm always busy in the shop, everything else should be about equal thru the year - welding and plasma, etc. so anything above approx. $125 for two months is heat. and last winter had a long-ass cold spell. Around $377 to heat the shop for the year. i wonder how they'd look in the living room? lol edit - 220V-20A breaker and 10/2 wire
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Post by MudMagnet on Jan 28, 2011 16:56:29 GMT -4
i might add that the electrical code would require a 30A breaker but 20's are cheaper and do work on those heaters....
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Post by T-Dogg on Jan 28, 2011 19:19:41 GMT -4
i might add that the electrical code would require a 30A breaker but 20's are cheaper and do work on those heaters.... The difference in cost is not much. Breaker size would have been rated for unit. Wire would have been sized acording to what I had @ the time. = to or greater than required. DA Dogg
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 20:37:52 GMT -4
i'll double check the breaker size. I thought it was 30A, but Mike was looking in there the other night and said 20.
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Post by backwoodsLJ on Jan 28, 2011 22:19:51 GMT -4
I have a 24 x 28 garage,2 steel insulated doors on gable end,9ft ceiling.2x6 walls insulated and drywalled and insulated attic.Have a furnace I got for $200 (very good shape)and oil tank with fours years left on tag for $100 and all accesories.Put $300 in tank 2years ago and will get by this winter also before refill.Mind you oil was cheaper then.Not out there everynight though and only turn on when I'm in there. But I like the set up instant heat when you go out to mess around with jeep! Long as some a-hole do'es not come alone and deside he wants some copper! I'll be fine...
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Post by Creepy on Jan 28, 2011 23:35:18 GMT -4
wow, that is some low oil usage. But all your stuff would be cold, just have warm air. How long does it take to warm up? The low cost is good tho
do you find your toolbox and parts sweat? That is, attract condensation when you crank the heat?
I don't like stuff on the floor, and don't have a lot of room for my equipment, no way I'd fit a furnace in there. I threw one away that came with the place. The size of the electric overhead is a big plus for my needs. (and I always keep it on, can't have the plasma table freezing and expanding, and the computer stays running.
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Post by backwoodsLJ on Jan 29, 2011 8:36:04 GMT -4
I can see your point because of machine.I like your heater idea as well?Would like to keep warm at all times.Yes I have some sweeting of tools when furnace is turned on at first.Keep drawers closed,but is very minimal anyway.My furnace is tight in corner and uses maybe a 3 by 5 ft space in front of one bay, the one my XJ is in while I tear apart each winter.... Does not take long at all to warm up even over them cold spells we had.I have 2 windows and they frost up on inside when its minus 10 0r more but melt off in 15 mins or so....
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Post by Jeepy on Jan 29, 2011 22:05:18 GMT -4
I just put a couple long electric baseboards in my new garage. I leave the thermostat at 5-7 deg and it is very rare that the heaters are on. Tools stay dry and anything frozen melts overnight. Silent too.
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