Big Willy
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May 17, 2013 8:40:46 GMT -4
Post by Big Willy on May 17, 2013 8:40:46 GMT -4
This is my first Jam and I've never done any trails in that neck of the woods. So as long as I can do the teeter-totter and I see Donna's reaction as we go over it will be all worth it, lol. . I don't really care about the types of trails just as long as I get out and have some fun with like minded folks. ;D
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Creepy
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May 17, 2013 11:08:03 GMT -4
Post by Creepy on May 17, 2013 11:08:03 GMT -4
I like running the Quarry as 'the hardest trail' in my LJ. Its a great offering for a locked rig and experienced driver. It has good logistics for being ther hard trail. Fairly close to camp, good roads going in.
Perfectly happy with having that as the hardest trail. Across the 'street' is the Crusher. I find that not as hard as the Quarry, good for maybe a newer guy with a fresh build, or an expereinced guy who likes the challenge of driving a smaller rig. Built rigs have no problem, unless they are looking for it.
The trail choices have always been great.
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May 17, 2013 11:12:35 GMT -4
Post by SocialWheeler on May 17, 2013 11:12:35 GMT -4
I have the B-I-L along this year. He bought my old JKU Rubi from Denis. The rig is built but he has no offroad experience to speak of. I think the rig can handle the Quarry easily enough, but he will need some serious spotting. Jan you have run Quarry before, should he forgo it on his first day wheelin? Would make for an excellent story though. LOL
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littlemulticoloredwagoneer
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May 17, 2013 11:25:01 GMT -4
Post by littlemulticoloredwagoneer on May 17, 2013 11:25:01 GMT -4
Here is my thoughts on that, the quarry is not a place for an inexperienced wheeler. how the rig is built means nothing if driver ability is not there!
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Creepy
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May 17, 2013 11:28:36 GMT -4
Post by Creepy on May 17, 2013 11:28:36 GMT -4
Agreed. I love to help, but on the other hand, I don't want to be responsible for that scenario.
Its a trail for expereinced wheelers. Some level of expereince above 'none'.
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Post by SocialWheeler on May 17, 2013 11:33:21 GMT -4
RTFO. I will run quarry on day 2. Leave him to his own devices.
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May 18, 2013 17:02:03 GMT -4
Post by Mickey on May 18, 2013 17:02:03 GMT -4
Is it last year or two years ago? There was a group that came from NB. They travel led a long way to come in and to enjoy our backyard playground. But the trail that they wanted was booked solid (may be I should use the term pre-booked). It was very disappointing for them.
I was the head trail guide for an alternative trail to them, but I was also booked solid. I opted to take them along. I ended with 26 Jeeps on my trail. Of course there were the mid and tail gunners also there were some experienced jeepers within the group.
We had a blast because the more the merrier. Again this year, I will be the leader. The Patriot is the new trail offered this year. I did not discussed with my mid and tail gunners. But our MOTO will be the same as used in the army "No one is left behind".
If we have 30 jeeps let it be, it just means that it will be a bit longer day so we can do it safe. If it takes 25 minutes to pass all the jeeps over an obstacle and some of you get bored I will entertain you.
See you soon, meanwhile sweet dream
Mickey
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Stevens
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May 19, 2013 14:22:42 GMT -4
Post by Stevens on May 19, 2013 14:22:42 GMT -4
More than 20 Jeeps on a trail is a pain. You end up spending most of your time waiting around twiddling your thumbs......especially if you're at the back of the pack. Lol I'd like to see 20 as the cutoff and enough trails offered so that everyone gets to run an enjoyable trail. Perhaps next year a consideration for the jam registration form should be a box where you can check your wheeling experience level and jeep build level. Might make it easier to tailor the right amount of trails. Perhaps I'll just do one of the easy trails in 2wd........lol
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Muddin Mar
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May 19, 2013 15:06:08 GMT -4
Post by Muddin Mar on May 19, 2013 15:06:08 GMT -4
There is a spot on the form to check of "driver experience" and yes I agree, too many makes things less enjoyable. So Mickey you will have to discuss that with your trail guide partners
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Creepy
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May 19, 2013 16:17:48 GMT -4
Post by Creepy on May 19, 2013 16:17:48 GMT -4
20 is arbitrary. "too many' is a # based on trail type, rigs, people, and weather. None of which is known until a few hours before the trail is run. Having an arbitrary cut-off # of rigs is kinda rigid, and could be looked at as an area to improve apon.
I'd suggest the trail guides know their trail, and can vary the amount of rigs based on all the factors listed above, during sign-ups. They can accomodate a clique that runs together, or add in a rig they know shouldn't be an issue. Or make cuts if its pouring rain. 'we can't handle 15 rigs on this trail in the rain'
I've seen plenty of times that this has been the case anyway, but it might be a good idea to empower the trail guides a little more to be able to do this 'day of' juggling without getting bagged on later.
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littlemulticoloredwagoneer
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May 19, 2013 17:10:18 GMT -4
Post by littlemulticoloredwagoneer on May 19, 2013 17:10:18 GMT -4
It's actually not a arbitrary # 20 Jeeps is more than enough on any trail it limits time for options makes communication a pain I could go on, never mind a less than fun day for participants.
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dan
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May 19, 2013 18:01:04 GMT -4
Post by dan on May 19, 2013 18:01:04 GMT -4
If you would like more trails, it would be nice to have more trail guides available. We never have more than enough trail guides for the trails offered, this year being no exception. Maybe if there were more people who steped up to be a trail guide, we may be able to offer more trails.
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coolwind1
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May 19, 2013 18:07:03 GMT -4
Post by coolwind1 on May 19, 2013 18:07:03 GMT -4
It's actually not a arbitrary # 20 Jeeps is more than enough on any trail it limits time for options makes communication a pain I could go on, never mind a less than fun day for participants. Not sure about guiding at jam, but what I can say is that when we have had 30 plus jeeps on one of our club runs it can become very busy for the trail guides. IMO over 20 jeeps is fine provide you have atleast 3 guides but it does make for slow going as people navigate different parts of the trail. Start to have breakdowns and oh what a nightmare it can become.
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Creepy
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May 19, 2013 18:42:53 GMT -4
Post by Creepy on May 19, 2013 18:42:53 GMT -4
Hhmm. Good points. My comments are from the perspective of wheelers who run in packs, can fix their own stuff, built their rigs themselves, and have years of trail experience. We rely on trail guides to get us to the trail head, then we are mostly self-sufficient. This is where my comment about abitrary rig # limits on trails comes from. With a group such as defined above, some extra rigs doesn't seem to be a big deal when factors such as good weather permit. Like this: I ended with 26 Jeeps on my trail. Of course there were the mid and tail gunners also there were some experienced jeepers within the group. We had a blast because the more the merrier. Mickey I can totally see the difference trail guides would have to deal with on a trail packed with newer rigs and new drivers with not much trail repair/recovery experience. Worry of damage, and having to spot simple obstacles all day, they would really have their hands full. Then it starts raining....
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The Garagemahal
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May 19, 2013 19:23:25 GMT -4
Post by The Garagemahal on May 19, 2013 19:23:25 GMT -4
Depends on the trail , and the people / rigs on it and the trail guides . Cranfield's revenge last year is a good example . Rain , breakdowns , too many " unsuitable rigs " / no trail experience no lockers or winches etc . The trail guides should have flagged them , Trail guides were busy , I tried to help get things moving
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