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Post by Dewie on Jan 12, 2009 12:08:27 GMT -4
Just a heads up about these (and most wind turbines) Ice/snow is KILLER... There is a gentleman who has been building these not too far from me for a few years now - and the issue is the ice/snow builds up on the blades of these then throws them off balance. Same kind of thing happens with the damn ventilator on the roof of my house. This guy's latest one he built he found some kind of Teflon spray which seems to help loads last I talked to him - just thought I'd pass the info along.
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Post by Hawkes on Jan 12, 2009 14:06:43 GMT -4
I've got a co worker who's constantly talking about solar heat, I keep asking him to show me the sun. I think wind is the way to go.
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Post by Dewie on Jan 12, 2009 15:52:00 GMT -4
I've got a co worker who's constantly talking about solar heat, I keep asking him to show me the sun. I think wind is the way to go. Exactly - we just don't have enough days of sunlight here for Solar to be effective unfortunately. I'm not dissing wind at all - just passing along some info I thought he may find useful.
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 12, 2009 17:00:33 GMT -4
I've got a co worker who's constantly talking about solar heat, I keep asking him to show me the sun. I think wind is the way to go. Exactly - we just don't have enough days of sunlight here for Solar to be effective unfortunately. I'm not dissing wind at all - just passing along some info I thought he may find useful. I know what you mean. that was one of the big things I asked Ed about. He is the owner of the site. He lives in a state that has very similer wind, snow and, ice as here. he also test patends for windmills for the us governoment. he has developed a way that if the wind get to strong or the windmill gets off balance it will shut it self down or disconect from the altenator so not to hurt anything. he says as long as the turbine is spinning its not that big of a deal. but does happen. I am going to see how it works and if it does the job I will be putting in one or 2 to power up the house. The bad thing is that with the house I can not use batterys I have to give the energy to the governoment and get a crdit for what I give. then it is taken off my bill. same as the garage but I am just not going to do it. In NB you can not store power.
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Post by Hawkes on Jan 12, 2009 21:42:51 GMT -4
Really? Or you can't be tied to the grid and have stored power?
I remember when NSP posted the rates wind producers would get for their kwh production, if I remember correctly they pay more for it than they sell it for retail. I think the catch was it's price locked for X amount of years, if electricity prices go up your price remains the same until the end of the contract. Not sure on someone like yourself who may only make a little to sell.
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Post by theonlybull on Jan 13, 2009 7:48:57 GMT -4
I know for a fact that the only difference between furnace oil and diesel is the dye they put in furnace oil. They don't want ya burnin' furnace oil in vehicles because of taxes, and that's how they keep it seperate. I can second that as being the truth...... explain that to our backhoe, she's start great on diesel, but put dyed furnace in it, and it'll hardly start in the summer.... winter diesel is thinned a little bit
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 13, 2009 7:59:24 GMT -4
I can second that as being the truth...... explain that to our backhoe, she's start great on diesel, but put dyed furnace in it, and it'll hardly start in the summer.... winter diesel is thinned a little bit ok it must be the dye. ;D ;D ;D ;D it all comes out of the same tank and is split into dyed and none dyed. I worked at a refinery and thats all they do with it. winter just because its winter does not me an they spend more money to thin it out.... ;D ;D ;D ;D but hay its your backhoe. I now work in the fishing industry and had to laugh the first time we filled up the boat with marine grade dissel. its more then the rest and they do not even dye it. lol but it is also is the same stuff.
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 13, 2009 8:07:16 GMT -4
Really? Or you can't be tied to the grid and have stored power? I remember when NSP posted the rates wind producers would get for their kwh production, if I remember correctly they pay more for it than they sell it for retail. I think the catch was it's price locked for X amount of years, if electricity prices go up your price remains the same until the end of the contract. Not sure on someone like yourself who may only make a little to sell. Yes if you are on the grid you can not store power. as far as selling it its the same as you pay for it. I would think because you are not making that much. like I said I am going to store in the garage just because I can do it. the way it it is hooked up now no one would know. not that I care because it should work very nice and save me lots. I have been reshearching and have come up with a system that should alow me to run most of my tools and lights and heat in the winter. once I have collected the parts and made the turbine I will post. I have most of the parts now and am starting to build the turbine soon. that way its ready.
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Post by Hawkes on Jan 13, 2009 8:41:48 GMT -4
Really? Or you can't be tied to the grid and have stored power? I remember when NSP posted the rates wind producers would get for their kwh production, if I remember correctly they pay more for it than they sell it for retail. I think the catch was it's price locked for X amount of years, if electricity prices go up your price remains the same until the end of the contract. Not sure on someone like yourself who may only make a little to sell. Yes if you are on the grid you can not store power. as far as selling it its the same as you pay for it. I would think because you are not making that much. like I said I am going to store in the garage just because I can do it. the way it it is hooked up now no one would know. not that I care because it should work very nice and save me lots. I have been researching and have come up with a system that should alow me to run most of my tools and lights and heat in the winter. once I have collected the parts and made the turbine I will post. I have most of the parts now and am starting to build the turbine soon. that way its ready. Bigger units have an isolation switch, so if the power grid is off the generation cannot be put on line. This protects the guys working on the line. I'm assuming your garage will be independent. If you were tied to the grid and the main line power went off you would be trying to feed hundreds or thousands of neighbors, your system would be in trouble. Keep us updated.
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Post by Dewie on Jan 13, 2009 9:42:41 GMT -4
An interesting point my father has been looking into a bit - apparently if you take an electric motor which is spinning due to supplying power to it and then push it (that is - apply more force to the spinning shaft than is being supplied by the motor) it will apparently generate electricity... now to come up with an effective way to use this...
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Post by Hawkes on Jan 13, 2009 11:02:04 GMT -4
An interesting point my father has been looking into a bit - apparently if you take an electric motor which is spinning due to supplying power to it and then push it (that is - apply more force to the spinning shaft than is being supplied by the motor) it will apparently generate electricity... now to come up with an effective way to use this... Sounds like the method of getting 3 phase running a single phase motor,spinning a 3 phase motor and getting the 3 phase from that. I've seen guys do that. It doesn't make power, it's more of a way to convert single phase to 3 phase.
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 13, 2009 13:38:12 GMT -4
An interesting point my father has been looking into a bit - apparently if you take an electric motor which is spinning due to supplying power to it and then push it (that is - apply more force to the spinning shaft than is being supplied by the motor) it will apparently generate electricity... now to come up with an effective way to use this... Sounds like the method of getting 3 phase running a single phase motor,spinning a 3 phase motor and getting the 3 phase from that. I've seen guys do that. It doesn't make power, it's more of a way to convert single phase to 3 phase. Any info I have looked at is how that would work. if you look at the link you will find all kinds of info on how to use alternators and motors as 1 or 3 phase.
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Post by T-Dogg on Jan 13, 2009 13:41:21 GMT -4
An interesting point my father has been looking into a bit - apparently if you take an electric motor which is spinning due to supplying power to it and then push it (that is - apply more force to the spinning shaft than is being supplied by the motor) it will apparently generate electricity... now to come up with an effective way to use this... Sounds like the method of getting 3 phase running a single phase motor,spinning a 3 phase motor and getting the 3 phase from that. I've seen guys do that. It doesn't make power, it's more of a way to convert single phase to 3 phase. Have seen that done as well, guy ran a 3 pahse hoist from a single phase system. Useing this system, couldnt you just use a generator transfer switch? This switch disconects the neutral and hot lines from the line(NSP) side. Da Dog
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 13, 2009 13:43:19 GMT -4
Yes if you are on the grid you can not store power. as far as selling it its the same as you pay for it. I would think because you are not making that much. like I said I am going to store in the garage just because I can do it. the way it it is hooked up now no one would know. not that I care because it should work very nice and save me lots. I have been researching and have come up with a system that should alow me to run most of my tools and lights and heat in the winter. once I have collected the parts and made the turbine I will post. I have most of the parts now and am starting to build the turbine soon. that way its ready. Bigger units have an isolation switch, so if the power grid is off the generation cannot be put on line. This protects the guys working on the line. I'm assuming your garage will be independent. If you were tied to the grid and the main line power went off you would be trying to feed hundreds or thousands of neighbors, your system would be in trouble. Keep us updated. yes the garage is on the grid but I am going to put in a cut off switch so it will only be on when I want it. I may run the air tools off the grid and some other plugs at first just to see what the wind power will hadle. it will not be hard to redirect some of the lights, heaters, plugs to the wind power. Thanks for the input and I will keep you posted
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Post by Jeepy on Jan 13, 2009 14:18:11 GMT -4
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