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Post by Creepy on Jan 13, 2009 17:32:26 GMT -4
dang, good info....i wish you guys started a new thread for the wind/power stuff. i can't move posts, just threads.
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Post by Creepy on Jan 13, 2009 19:52:46 GMT -4
negative. anyway, carry on.
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 14, 2009 8:00:38 GMT -4
Very good info guys I am liking it. as far as solar power. I am all for it but, not alot of sun in these part in the winter as you all know. thats one of the big reasons I want to go with the wind power first. solar is great way of heating water for washing dishes close ect. as far as spending money the solar is alot more to get into as well. my brother sent me a link the other day if I can fine the email. eazy solar wall that I may do in the garage. its just pop cans that are seald. they have a small hole at the top and a bigger hole at he bottom. they heat up in the sun and then the hot air transfers out of them as the sun heats up the can. I have an end wall on the southside making it very eazy for me to do this. But it would take alot of cans. I could just make a wall of dubble windows with a fan at the bottom to push the air in and it does the same thing and would be alot eazyer. great info kep it comming
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 14, 2009 12:44:06 GMT -4
oh I understand I have read alot on it aswell as the windpower. most people do think that you need sun (as in you can see the sun in the sky) for it to be effective. not true, if it is light out then the solar panels are working. anything I have read though for what I want to do I would need alot of solar panels compared to one or 2 windmills with high power producing altenators. I would like to set up some sort of solar power to heat water or to help heat water as I have said but again when you work out the fourmula's you need alot of pannels to produse the proper amount for any gaine.
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Post by willyswagon on Jan 14, 2009 13:18:01 GMT -4
I have both the systems. A Thermo Dynamics Solar Boiler 2 panel system for heating the domestic hot water. It payed for itself in oil savings in 5yrs. I also have a Cansolair Solar Max(pop can system) to heat up the air in the house. It has only been in for 3 months (time will tell if it has a quick pay back).
To bring this back on track you couldn't heat your shop with either set up!
I think that's a hint to start another thread
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Post by tazjeeper on Jan 15, 2009 7:29:20 GMT -4
keep us posted on how it is working.
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Post by willyswagon on Jan 15, 2009 13:01:16 GMT -4
I started a Solar thread under the off topic section so Jan the Mod would remain CALM and not have to drop the Mod Hammer. Hope this works Jan
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Post by mostheman on Jan 15, 2009 13:08:01 GMT -4
Moved my info to Solar thread
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Post by willyswagon on Jan 15, 2009 14:12:21 GMT -4
Jan, Hows your heat working out? I have in floor heat, but I thinking of doing what you did. I'm not in there as much this winter and I hate leaving it up all the time only to use it a hour here and there. I track my oil useage fairly close and it cost about 550 l of oil per winter to keep it @ 10C. I'm thinking I might drop it back to 5C(just enought to melt the crap off a rig if you pull it in the night before). Then be able to turn up the Unit heater when I go out to work.
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Post by Creepy on Jan 15, 2009 20:06:55 GMT -4
as for the offtopicness ... heh its just that all that good solar/wind stuff would get lost in this thread. more valuable to read later or add to if its seperate. but its cool the heat thread spawned the free energy talk. i can't edit the thread to make another post with that stuff, or i would. I'm thinking I might drop it back to 5C(just enought to melt the crap off a rig if you pull it in the night before). Then be able to turn up the Unit heater when I go out to work. I'm leaving mine at 5deg all the time. Len too. it really dried the place out. my tools and stuff would all get condensation all over them and my toolbox would instantly get wet inside when i opened the drawers when i was heating with the salamander. it would heat the air rapidly, all the stuff would be freezing, so it would condensate on everything. (not to mention my rear wall is leaking, lots of moisture, i gotta get on fixing that!) I haven't gotten a power bill yet to report on heater cost. but it doesn't run much. never on more than a few minutes. The heat is even all around the shop. the heat does sit up high, i will finish installing a fan this week. Since the boxes and bench and tools, etc, are all around 5Deg, they give off radiant heat and it feels much more comfortable in the shop than with the salamander. Opening and closing the big door doesn't suck all the heat out like i thought it would, and like how it did with the salamander. I attribute this to the radiant heat of the equipment. The heater doesn't get too affected by the door being opened for a vehicle change, it only runs a bit extra afterwards. When i go out to work I turn up the heater to 25 (max) on the t-stat and it gradually warms up. The heater cycles, it doesn't run like a maniac to get there. (this is where I really need the ceiling fan, if you stand on the Jeep and put your hand up in the rafters, its very warm. need to push that down. After about a 1/2 hour I'll be wearing a t-shirt, a long sleeve, and a hoody. working comfortably and the tools aren't cold on your hands. I will be getting inside/outside thermometer to give more specific values on the deltaT. overall, i am pleased with it. pending power bill. lol
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Post by projectnightmare on Jan 15, 2009 20:30:30 GMT -4
Seat of the Pants, Casual Bystander, User Review of Jan's Shop Heater -
Having been in Jan's shop last year when he was swapping ZJ trans (probably the year before at some point as well) and then again last weekend... the new heat source is a huge upgrade. It wasn't tropical warm in there but if you are working and moving around, it'd be perfect and probably less expensive to operate.
That old thing on the floor last year was a monster...looked unsafe and loud too. Nice work getting that new stuff going.
I've been casually watching this thread because I'm planning (wayyy on the back burner) to build a small shop on the Portland Street property. It can't go in the driveway, too close to the neighbors house, but could extend the driveway to put it in the backyard.
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Post by ©Big6™ on Jan 16, 2009 8:38:58 GMT -4
Was up to Truro last weekend to work on Kilo's Vdub. Welded a patch on the pinch seam under the drivers door. Shop is set at 15 deg, figured it would warm up to be too warm after working awhile, I turned the heat off when we arrived. It dropped to 12 when we pulled the car in, within an hour, was up to 16. I had to open the door a bit to evacuate the smoke from grinding/welding german metal. Dropped down a little bit, closed the door and it warmed up again.
Sure is nice working in a sweat shirt, on a hoist in January!
I think the first power bill is due to arrive, so will post up what it is. Considering the first year with in floor heat is supposed to be higher than the next, due to the floor still curing and the heat loss in that.
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Post by tothewall on Jan 16, 2009 8:42:35 GMT -4
My place is always set at 5 degrees, I crank the heat when I am out there and it seems to be fine. Stuck my nose in there this AM with outside air temperature of -20 and it was 5 degrees and the heater was NOT running.
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Post by mostheman on Jan 16, 2009 8:43:09 GMT -4
I think the first power bill is due to arrive, so will post up what it is. Considering the first year with in floor heat is supposed to be higher than the next, due to the floor still curing and the heat loss in that. You whacky Mechanical guys......Concrete generates heat as it cures........
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Post by Big G on Feb 1, 2009 8:45:08 GMT -4
What about a heat pump? All the negatives of them probably wouldn't matter in a garage; only good to a certan temp. and that it's hot air.
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