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Post by bill richards on May 27, 2011 17:26:46 GMT -4
I remember making a similar contraption to hold the box to the frame.
Surprised to hear you couldn't find a lock ring. It's been years, but they definitely were available, and available individually. Checked with Bill?
Bill
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Post by Truro Offroad on May 27, 2011 18:46:32 GMT -4
I thought the lock rings were still available from the dealer?
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Post by itsakeeper on May 27, 2011 18:53:40 GMT -4
hmmm, I'll have to check on Monday, no automotive catalogs at home and the websites suck for anything other than the standard run of the mill stuff
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Post by The Garagemahal on May 27, 2011 20:09:16 GMT -4
BEEFY
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Post by Creepy on May 29, 2011 15:46:41 GMT -4
Bought Dean's T18a for $350. T-5 rebuild was around $700.....the T18 is rebuilt and has a 23 spline output for the D300, making it a bolt in propostion. Not to mention a practically new clutch and flywheel. Losing overdrive (Bernie said he never used anyway), and gaining 6:1 first gear. And of course the T18 is bulletproof.
I ordered the older CJ 4cly slave and master to shift it, waiting for it to come in.
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Post by kermitthe5 on May 30, 2011 5:49:00 GMT -4
Jan sorry to ask stupid questions but is this a dana 44 scout rear if so I have a blocking ring you are looking for hanging on my garage wall from a set 10 wheel bearing let me know and I could ship or mail it to you.(506)634-7872 cel (506)653-8088
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Post by itsakeeper on May 31, 2011 20:07:31 GMT -4
shoot, I forgot to check that out, I'll look tomorrow
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Post by Creepy on May 31, 2011 20:46:26 GMT -4
Frig it, its back together and not coming apart.
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Post by bill richards on Jun 1, 2011 8:46:08 GMT -4
Frig it, its back together and not coming apart. can we quote ya on that? So if it's installed with the setup I'm familiar with, an oversized tire and axle shaft are held attached to the jeep by a bearing that was pounded on with a pipe... Personally I wouldn't be comfortable without the lock ring. In my experience they're on much tighter than the bearing. Bill
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Post by itsakeeper on Jun 1, 2011 11:55:46 GMT -4
got nothin on it separetly only as part of the set10 - although bower do list it as a TKB-2935 lockring they don't sell it separetly
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Post by Creepy on Jun 1, 2011 14:45:08 GMT -4
Frig it, its back together and not coming apart. can we quote ya on that? So if it's installed with the setup I'm familiar with, an oversized tire and axle shaft are held attached to the jeep by a bearing that was pounded on with a pipe... Personally I wouldn't be comfortable without the lock ring. In my experience they're on much tighter than the bearing. Bill Ya, thats a quote. I'm comfortable with it, otherwise I would have done something about it. They stopped supplying lockrings for a reason, they wanted to cut costs and removed the redundancy. The bearing was stupid hard to beat on. Interference fit. If you think about a possible failure in which you would lose an axle, the bearing would either have to slide off the axle, which I know damn well isn't going to happen after beating it on, or the cage fails and the backing plate gets chewed, and the axle falls out. Much noise, vibration and warning before hand on that one. Its fine, I stake my rep on it, like I do with everything I build.
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Post by bill richards on Jun 1, 2011 15:07:18 GMT -4
The bearing was stupid hard to beat on. Well, maybe that's the difference.. the couple I've done, the bearing and lockring were noticeably different in the effort installation took. Bill
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Post by bill richards on Jun 1, 2011 15:35:37 GMT -4
More thinking about this... I disagree with "Much noise, vibration and warning before hand" as a bearing fails...Many a swamper has easily disguised a failing bearing.
Another potential failure that I could see is the cage getting chewed up, rollers dropped... I believe the diameter of the hole in the bearing retainer would let the left over inner race pass though. Where the lockring, I believe, would be too big.
If the inner race is bigger than the hole in the retainer and/or backing plate, prob not as big a concern.
Bill
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Post by bill richards on Jun 1, 2011 15:45:02 GMT -4
Talkin to myself some more... I guess non-clip axles aren't held in the same way... no lock ring.
I guess I'd have to see the parts in hand... see what can pass through what, before I'd be comfortable giving up the original redundancy...
Personally... If it came with a lock ring, I would most definitely put one back on in it's place.
Bill
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Post by Creepy on Jun 1, 2011 16:40:38 GMT -4
Well they don't come with lockrings anymore, that's what I'm sayin. I certainly would have installed it. i considered tack welding the drilled one onto the axle, then thought better of it.
The interference fit of the bearing is more than before. I have done the job with lockrings before as well, so I know what you mean about how tight the lockring is compared to the bearing.
The OD of the lockring and the OD of the inner race as almost the same, and i figured there was no difference in having it there or not in the event of the cage failing and the axle wanting to fall out.
The comment on vibration and swampers......the cage on the bearing will have to literally be torn to sheds and spit out before the axle comes out. There would be gear oil all over the place. i'm not talking a slight vibe. The rear wheel would be noticably cambered. On top of that, the inner bearing race does not fit past the backing plate. The only way for the axle to come out is to slip the interference fit which I am sure won't happen, or the entire assembly eats thru the retainer and backing plate, and that can happen if the lockring is there or not.
Believe me, went over this pretty hard before deciding to install it.
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